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Enny, Meeny, Miney, Moe
By:David A. Caldwell
Date: 04:20 3/4/07

Eeny, meeny, miny, moe
Catch a baby by the toe
If it squeals let it go,
Eeny, meeny, miny, moe.

Out goes one
Out goes two
Out goes another one
And that is you.

(The Oxford Dictionary of Nursery Rhymes. Edited by Iona and Peter Opie 1951. Oxford University Press. 1992 edition.)

In their book, The Hiram Book: Pharaohs, Freemasonry, and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus, the authors,Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, claim that the the first numbers are not nonsense, but from the counting system of the pre-Celtic Britons

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eeny,_meeny,_miny,_moe)

The Celtic counting system continued into the 20th century as part of the Cumbrian dialect prevalent among the sheepherders of southwest Scotland and northwest England: yan, tyan, tethera, methera, pimp, sethera, lethera, lethera,...up to giggot (20).

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbrian_dialect)

These sheepherders belonged originally to the pre-Roman Carvettii tribe that inhabited the grasslands of Lennox, Renfrewshire, Ayrshire, Galloway, and Cumbria, and parts of western Yorkshire and Northumberland.

(Stephen Oppenheimer, The Origins of the British (Carrol & Graf, 2006), p. 63.)

Shortly after the Roman invasion, the Carvetti merged with the Brigante tribe, whose capital was at Aldbrough, North Riding, Yorkshire.

(Stephen Oppenheimer, The Origins of the British (Carrol & Graf, 2006), p. 64.)

Todayís latest census figures reveal that the highest number of Caldwells residing in Great Britain are located in Cumbria.

The lands in which the Cumbrian dialect was spoken include Caldwell, East Renfrewshire, Caldwelltoun in Ayrshire, Caldwell Burn in Dumfries & Galloway, Caldwell in Fife, Caldwellside in South Lanarkshire, and Caldwell, North Riding, Yorkshire.

One of the oldest Bretonic families in Renfrewshire was Cawdwydd, or simply Caw. (See, Caledonia, Or, A Historical and Topographical Account of North Britain from the Most Ancient to Present Time by George Chalmers, 7 vols., 1902.)

The Bretonic influence did not cease with King David I becoming monarch of Scotland, and transferring many lands in Scotland to Anglo-Norman knights from England. When King David I granted tracts of land in what is now known as Ayrshire and Renfrewshire to Walter Fitz Alan, he thereby transferred control over these lands to a person of Britonic descent. Walter Fitz Alan came from Shropshire, a shire largely populated by Bretonic people, and lying adjacent to Wales. The first Cluniac monastry established in the region of Ayrshire and Renfrewshire during King David Iís reign was formed of monks from Shropshire, who likely were conversant in Bretonic speech. (See: Renfrew. General Description of the Shire of Renfrew, and Genealogical History of the Royal House of Stewart, 4to., hf. cf., 1815.)

Cuneddas son Cadwallan Lawhir was the father of Maelgwyn (Maelchaen/Malcolm) ap Cadwallan nearly six hundred years later his descendant Cadwaladar was fighting at the battle of Aber Menea (Menai Straits) and using Scots mercenaries sent down by the St clairs of Rosslyn near Edinburgh.

The list of Ancient British Kings has names similar in phonetics to ours:- Casswallan 62 BC,
Cadwan of Cumbria,
Caradawc of Archenfield,
Cadell Dernllwg,
Cunedd of Strathclyde, Tudwall of Galloway.
Cadda and his grandson Caedwalla has a British sounding name although he ruled the Western Saxons so maybe intermarriage.

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Enny, Meeny, Miney, Moe
David A. Caldwell -- 04:20 3/4/07
Re: Enny, Meeny, Miney, Moe
Tom Caldwell -- 20:58 3/5/07
Re: Enny, Meeny, Miney, Moe
David Caldwell -- 02:03 3/13/07
Re: Eeny Meeny Miny Mo?
Tom Caldwell -- 23:42 3/14/07

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