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Re: Allan Caldwell & Janet Guthrie
By:Tom Caldwell
Date: 13:49 2/21/02
In Response To: Allan Caldwell & Janet Guthrie (Tom Caldwell)

: Allan C & Janet G had a number of Children around the
: turn of the 18th century at St Quivox (Ayrshire,
: Scotland) one was John (my ancestor) and another was
: Charles. I have found a refernce to Charles (or at
: least to a son of Charles by the same name) He was
: listed in the 1851 census (aged 38 born at St Quivox)
: with his wife Elizabeth (aged 36 born at Stair)and
: their 6 children. He was listed as a coalminer and
: they were living in a "colliers row" at
: Perceton near Dreghorn.
: As many of the family seem to have emigrated from
: Scotland it might be a clue for someone to "hook
: in". I will post the names and approximate years
: of birth of their children tonight.
Children of Allan Caldwell & Janet Guthrie (all born at St Quivox near Ayr)
Janet b5/Feb/1776
Jean b15/May/1777
John b24/Feb/1780 (my ancestor)
Alan b6/Dec/1780
Francis b3/April/1783
Thomas b1/May/1786
Charles b10/Jul/1787 (the Charles at Dreghorn in the 1851 census was born at St Quivox but was not this Charles but more likely a son of one of the boys listed above who was continuing the family name - it was ot the sone of John as I have his family details)

Alan Guthrie(snr) was a collier
1851 census
No 4 Colliers Houses Perceton (Dreghorn)
Charles (b circa 1813 St Quivox) Coalminer
Elizabeth (b c 1815 Stair)"married"
Allan (b c 1834 Kilmaurs) Coalminer (named after father's father)
Janet (b c 1838 Kilmaurs) Sewer (named after father's mother)
Jane (b c 1840 Dreghorn) Sewer (named most probably after mother's mother)
Robert (b c 1843 Dreghorn) Scholar (named most probably after mother's father)
Elizabeth (b c 1847 Dreghorn) Scholar (named after mother)
Charles (b c 1850 Dreghorn) (named after father)
I have worked out the dates of birth approximately from the ages given and the year of census (1851)
I have also show the Scots family naming convention which seems to have been followed.
Following the convention this Charles is unlikely to have been the son of Charles (1787) as the first son should have been named Charles also. I think it is more likely he was a younger son of the second Alan (1780) who may well also have married a Janet.
Charles was obviously a family name even though it seems to have been more unusual in the Caldwell family generally and did not continue in our family line.
I note that I have come across a couple of people descended from Charles Caldwell's originating in the Eastern Provinces of Canada.
I know that this Charles had a cousin Alan Caldwell (also a coalminer) m Janet Hunter who emigrated to Cape Breton about 1832 with his three children.
Two of the sons of John Caldwell (my ancestor mentioned above) emigrated to Australia Matthew's family in 1884 and John's ?date?.
There is every prospect that some of Charles' children also emigrated in the decline of the coal industry in Scotland.

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Allan Caldwell & Janet Guthrie
Tom Caldwell -- 22:06 2/20/02
Re: Allan Caldwell & Janet Guthrie
Tom Caldwell -- 13:49 2/21/02
Re: Allan Caldwell & Janet Guthrie
Tom Caldwell -- 04:34 3/4/02
 

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